In this episode Andrew, surprising himself, abandons his notes and goes on a show long rabbit trail about seeing other people and yourself as in an chapter earlier in the book that ends with how you became a saint. Along the way, he covers how we see other people, even bad ones, even Donald Trump and Hugh Hefner, how we can help anyone in the project of fulfilling their destiny of sainthood, and finally how we should see ourselves and get started on becoming the particular weird saint that God called you to be, that is to die functioning properly as designed.
“The Counter Position” is a new show by Andrew Whaley, founder of the apostolate Calix. Andrew brings his unique take on things from over 20 years of studying philosophy, theology, art, business, and design while processing those ideas daily over the bar in his coffeehouses with people of all walks of life, most of them being the unchurched/dechurched. Feverishly interested in everything, Andrew covers a wide array of topics, spiritual and otherwise, with his hallmark brand of edgy self-deprecating humor, intellectual speculation, and deep wonder. Interviews range from major Catholic figures and intellectuals to interesting characters with good story or an insight to bring. So, if you’re interested in a new form of Catholic radio, buckle up and tune in.